Friday, March 02, 2007

On Binding in Titibhasana C Variation

This is a dialogue I had with a practitioner. I think this is really useful information and an example of information being matched to the current needs and interests of the practitioner. It is an example of how information needs to be put into context and how learning in Yoga can be based on a dialogue rather than simply being a body of information to be learned.

Thank you L. for your intelligent questions and your consistent attitude of interest and curiosity and your desire to understand and learn.

The photographs that are not of me were taken by me and are of my friend Katya who is a modern dancer, a Pilates instructor and an avid yoga practitioner. I wanted to thank Katya for alowing me to use these images.

I also want to make a note about the pose. The reason I am calling this pose Titibhasana C Variation is that I am teaching the pose with the feet a little wider apart than the classic pose to get a different angle on the pelvic structure. In the variation I am using here the feet are about two and a half feet apart, which is about the distance that would usually be used for Kurmasana if you were sitting, or about the distance that would naturally occur in the hand balancing version of Titibhasana. This angle is well worth playing with and experiencing. I can highly recommend it.

Peace. UpSideDownCarl

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On Binding in Titibhasana C Variation



L asked: I can't identify the benefits of grabbing your hands behind your back in that pose. When I try to that, I only feel like my collar bones are being compressed. In what direction(s) is the pose going?

Carl responds: It was binding of any kind. It is not always useful but it does not stop people from thinking that it is cool or something. It is sort of silly.



I wish people actually just wanted to do what would be good for themselves but... It is like sun salutations. I know it is more useful for many people if much of the time they replace chataranga and updog with movements that get the same basic work in a way that is less risky for the shoulder joint, as you usually do. This would be far more beneficial. But telling people stuff like that usually does not help them for some reason.



L replied: Hey Carl, Thanks for the information on binding. I know that a good rule of thumb for yoga is, "if the posture doesn't feel right to your body, the posture probably isn't right for you." Usually when a posture does not feel right to me, I can at least identify the work of the pose and understand how it might be a good kind of work for another person. Every once in a while, however, I come across a pose whose benefits remain a mystery. That's how I felt in pose we did on Saturday (the forward bend with arms wrapped around the back). The only thing I felt is that my collar bones were being compressed {editor’s note: this was the case for L when trying to bind not in the initial arm position with the hands on the outer ankle}.

See you soon.

Carl responds: Ah I see. The first option for the arms was actually reaching the arms in between the legs, taking the forearms behind the calves, and the hands to the outside of the ankles. Behind the back was an "advanced option".

For someone who is bendy in that direction it creates some nice flexion for the spine and some deep opening in the pelvic region. For this to happen you have to round your spine enough to get your shoulders behind your legs. If your chest has not moved in between your legs so that your shoulders can be behind the legs then you will be compressing your collarbones. When your shoulders are behind your legs then, when the arms reach behind the back, they are able to help broaden the chest and bring the spine and hip joints deeper into flexion increasing the opening in the pelvic region and the spine. Then, as you move the legs towards straight, you add opening to the back of the legs.

You have done a variation of it while sitting that is perhaps more understandable where you are reaching for the outside edges of the feet from under your calves, or lying on the back in happy baby pose. These poses can be bound also when it is appropriate for a student.



It is basically the same thing except you are standing. But the bind part is sort of for the people who are trying to achieve something. It is a precursor to putting your feet behind your head.

When you can do it like in this picture below what is happening in the shoulders is much less of that compression in the collar bones because the chest has moved far enough in between the thighs for the arms to actually reach around towards the back with the chest broadening and then what you get is more opening in the back of the spine and in the pelvic structure as the torso moves further towards being behind the legs.




L. replied: Carl, Thank you so much for the detailed response to my question.

Carl replied: You are most welcome. Thank you for your dedication as a practitioner.

What follows is a postscript:

Following the dialogue L. and I looked at the pose in person. I had her feel it herself and then I had her see someone else do the pose up close and see what it looked like before the shoulders were in place and then what it looked like with the shoulders in place and the spine more flexed. As a result she had one last thing to say.

"On practicing the pose, with the dialogue in body and mind," L. says. "Although I am a fairly flexible person, the pose in question made me realize that there is a lot of physical territory that I have yet to explore and understand, both physically and mentally. My spine has, or at least almost has, the flexibility required to bind. But my spine is not accustomed to the degree of flexion necessary for binding, and resists moving in that direction. Carl helped me get around that obstacle by having me think of pulling my head through my legs, as opposed to down towards the floor, where my head is in the habit of going. It will take time for my spine to welcome that new direction, but I now have a clearer sense of what my body needs in the pose. What a difference dialogue can make! When I first encountered the pose, I couldn't understand its benefits. It's still not my favorite pose, but now I have a better sense of how to approach it. Doing this pose also reminded me of the large learning curve that comes along with almost any physical discipline. With my dance background, that aspect of yoga is less pronounced for me, which is unfortunate. Few things are more rewarding than a physical "Eureka!", when the body surprises itself and the mind by performing some previously impossible physical task, suddenly and without warning."

And Carl replies: I thoroughly agree that realizing something in your body that you had not realized before is pretty cool and often leads to a whole bunch of other realizations. And it is kind of cool how there is always more of that even when we are very familiar with our bodies. And that action of flexing, otherwise known as rounding, the spine, as long as it is not overdone or done aggressively, is one that can in fact be healthy for our spines. So that new territory is one that might offer you a little bit of new vocabulary for your body and an ability to know when spinal flexion is useful and how much spinal flexion will be useful for certain things. For me it is interesting that it took me a while to realize that this is what you were not getting about the pose. I am pretty confident that the reason is that this was initiated as an internet dialogue, and as soon as we looked at the pose in person it took about 3 minutes to get you to feel a little more of what you were supposed to. It is nice to realize how effective direct communication, in person, one-on-one can be, especially when the subject is about how we are using our bodies. Thanks again for initiating this wonderful dialogue.

8 Comments:

Blogger Yoga Chickie said...

Hi Carl,

Long time! I just want to give another opinion here...which is that there is nothing really "wrong" with feeling some collarbone compression when you are first starting out trying to bind your arms behind your back while the legs are behind the shoulders as in Supta Kurmasana or Tittibasana C. I am not talking about a teacher pressing your into it so hard that your collarbone breaks! I am really talking about the transformative effects of a yoga practice. At first, the collarbones WILL feel compressed. If the posture is practiced daily (as in an Ashtanga practice, which is my daily practice now and has been for the past two years), the five to eight breaths in the posture each day will give way to a gradual softening of what needs to soften, and the collarbones soon STOP feeling compressed. The arms can begin to move about more freeling behind the legs, the hands finding each other eventually.

I am not a big fan of telling students what not to do. That's just me and my style, and I would surely be one of those students that you would not have much luck in telling me "not" to do something. If someone told me to lay off on the chatturangas because my arms and chest are already quite muscular and perhaps I need to soften up, rather than muscle up (this is the only reason I can imagine anyone would tell me to lay off the chatturangas), I would say thank you and then go back to my vinyasas because whatever they are doing that is negative, they are ALSO building self-esteem, strength and stamina, three vitally important parts of my physical practice. Of course, if it were my teacher who sees me six days per week doing the same postures over and over again, I might actually listen. But in a vinyasa drop-in setting, it is virtually impossible to imagine taking advise to "not" do something.

I know I am rambling. I think the point I am making is that there is no one and only right approach to yoga. Yours is clearly a more gentle approach than the one I have taken to in recent years. But that doesn't make mine wrong. It just makes mine right for me and yours right for you, and right for the students who believe in your approach.

Maybe I am stating the obvious...I don't know...?

Lauren

10:46 PM, March 05, 2007

 
Blogger upsidedowncarl said...

Hey Lauren,

Obviously people can do as they like. You have a right to your way of practicing and think that is great. Here would be a reason for one practitioner not to do too many chatarangas: for someone who has bad form and does not have the strength to do it well the risk might be called repetitive stress injuries. If you injure yourself, it is certainly based on your choices. If you are good with that then I guess that is fine. I personally would rather not injure myself even if it means I get to deeper places in the poses a little more slowly. I know a lot of practitioners and yoga teachers who injure themselves by repeatedly doing chataranga with poor body mechanics. I have nothing against good hard work. I am happy if people work hard, especially if it is in a way that is really right for them. If you know what you are doing with your body you can do a lot. I also offer chataranga in my group classes and let people do them or not as they choose. I just make sure people know that if they don't want them they can skip those movements.

As far as the collarbones compressing: I guess if you want to compress your collarbones that is also fine. Another personal choice. But if you have moved far enough into the pose so that your shoulders are behind your thighs, your collarbones will not be compressed because the thighs will not be in the way of the movement of the arms and shoulders and so there will be nothing to cause the collarbones to compress.

And of course you are right that if someone wants to keep scrunching their shoulders when they are not quite in position, so that they can try and yank their upper body through there legs, it is a personal choice. The only thing I would say about that is there are other arm positions that will bring you there more effectively and more gracefully without the compression.

However, if you look at the dialogue, it was started by someone who was wondering why what she was doing felt wrong to her body and was not something she wanted to do. So for that practitioner I doubt the answer, "keep doing it, the scrunched feeling will go away in a few months," would have been in line with this particular practitioner's actual needs.

We are all in the oven. I am simply not in a rush to finish cooking.

Anyway, it is good to hear from you. It sounds like things are going well for you. Take care.

12:17 AM, March 06, 2007

 
Blogger Yoga Chickie said...

You call it "yank", I call it "leverage". Tomato, tomahtoe. The reality is that I wanted very much to feel the feeling of getting my legs behind my shoulders, my arms bound behind my back. If I had not had some yanking/leveraging done by my teacher, who has never injured me (or anyone else to my knowledge) I would never have bound in Marichyasana C or D or. most relevantly to this discussion, Supta Kurmasana. My passive stretch is nowhere near in the range my of my assisted stretch, and my teacher has helped me to turn the latter into the former. The wonderful thing about this approach is that with teacher assistance plus muscle-memory, a wonderful momentum builds upon itself and before too long, collarbones are not even part of the equation.

Clearly, my words are the words of someone who believes in the Ashtanga system such as it is. I like practicing the same postures day in day out and making slow but steady progress in opening up all of the closed spaces in my body. I would not recommend my approach to someone who was not committed to a daily practice consisting of working up to the same end-point posture. But for someone who wants to do that kind of work, compressed collarbones soon (a week or two at most) give way to a feeling of incredible and indescribable exhilaration.

For a student who pops in at vinyasa practice now and then, or even does so regularly, but with the great variety of poses that are presented in a vinyasa class, the "yank/leverage" approach could very well lead to sudden, acute injury. In my opinion - why even teach something like Tittibasana C in that kind of class? Of course, that's just me. I hardly even teach inversions in my classes anymore because most of my students are not capable of accepting the teaching that is required to do them safely (i.e, they want to hop up into headstand, for example).

Two different schools of thought is all. Tis all good.

Lauren

7:09 PM, March 06, 2007

 
Blogger upsidedowncarl said...

Hey Lauren,

L. is not lying when she says: "Although I am a fairly flexible person". She has more than enough flexibility to do the pose with ease. It took me under two minutes, when we were in person, to help her feel what she was supposed to: bound and no compression. And her response to it was: "What a difference dialogue can make! When I first encountered the pose, I couldn't understand its benefits. It's still not my favorite pose, but now I have a better sense of how to approach it."

AFTER FEELING THE POSE WITH HER HANDS FIRMLY BOUND BEHIND HER BACK AND HER SHOULDERS IN A GOOD POSITION, HER RESPONSE WAS THAT SHE DID NOT REALLY LOVE THE WAY IT FELT.

Why on earth would you want to impose your experience on someone else who clearly has had a different one? And I have to say, L. knows her body way better than most people, better than many great yoga teachers. The idea of judgmental statements like: "For a student who pops in at vinyasa practice now and then, or even does so regularly, … why even teach something like Tittibasana C in that kind of class? Of course, that's just me. I hardly even teach inversions in my classes anymore because most of my students are not capable of accepting the teaching that is required to do them safely," which reeks of, elitism and snobbery, even though you have no idea what L.’s approach to practice is. How unfortunate it is that so many yoga practitioners get stuck in defending their way of practicing as better than all others and something that is supposed to make you more flexible mentally as well as physically, ends up making so many people mentally rigid and unable to see what is actually in front of them.

By the way, since you don’t seem to have gotten it from reading the dialogue, the first option offered was the first picture where the hands were holding the outer ankles. EVERYONE IN THE CLASS WAS ABLE TO HANDLE THAT VARIATION OF THE POSTURE.

I personally am happy you have an approach that you feel works for you. When I see someone for whom Ashtanga is beneficial I am happy to refer them to the practice even though it is not mine.

My approach is a personal practice that is based on my current needs. A practice that is done every day. At a certain point in my studies I got tired of the elitist attitude of a lot of Desikachar’s students who sometimes act like nobody else knows how to practice because the fact is, what they are doing is so much more rich, complex and advanced, that most people from the West do not even understand it. I got tired of hearing the students who do a real, full, daily practice that is tailored to their current, specific needs, who have had years of training in how to sequence poses, how to build a practice, how to use a variety of breath techniques, a variety of advanced visual imagery techniques, a variety of different kinds of bhavana (what you do with your attention so that the work you do is in line with your current intentions), in short, people who really have a variety of tools and techniques and really know what they are doing—but I got tired of hearing them being judgmental of Iyengar, Ashtanga and Vinyasa practitioners as people who had no clue because the tools available to them were limited and the practices were not as multidimensional. The reason I got tired of this elitist attitude is that, in spite of how many more techniques these people might have gleaned from the incredibly rich teachings of Krishnamacharya, who was skillful enough to teach Iyengar, Pattabhi Jois and Desikachar all so differently and yet so intelligently and so in line with what they needed at the time, in spite of how much these students of Desikachar’s might know, they were missing that Iyengar Yoga and Ashtanga Yoga are both wonderful and powerful practices and so is the American conglomeration called Vinyasa. That each person has a right to practice in his or her own way and that as you practice your interests and needs may change and then the approach you use might change or develop as well.

The key issue is that there is consistently time where it is just you and your mat or really you and yourself for a certain specified time. And during that time you spend with yourself you are doing work that causes you to be able to handle things in your life just a little more skillfully. And I am confident that L. knows as much about her body as she does because she has a REAL with capital letters relationship with her body that she exercises on a DAILY BASIS in a way that very few people do.

Again, Lauren, I am happy Ashtanga works so well for you. I remember falling in love with that practice years ago. I also remember falling out of love with it. Now I am neutral to it but I am happy it works for you. I do absolutely agree that a practice that is done daily with a real sense of discipline is an amazing thing and there are no words that could encapsulate all that occurs. For that reason I think the Mysore Ashtanga practice is a beautiful practice. I also think it is an extremely well constructed practice. If it works for you it is a great shortcut to having a daily practice because the hard work of knowing how to create a practice is already done for you and done exceptionally well. I am happy to see you use that practice to your advantage and hope it gives you all you are looking for from practice. But I will not judge someone who only has the space in his or her life and schedule for practice once in a while and does not have the discipline to practice without a teacher guiding them through the routine. There is a place for all kinds of practice and all kinds of people.

Our goals in practice are obviously different and I am happy for you to have your own goals. I would not wish my goals in practice on anyone. :)

1:35 AM, March 07, 2007

 
Blogger Yoga Chickie said...

Thanks for taking the time to explain your point of view, and you are right about many things, the most poignant of which is that no one should be judged for not maintaining a daily yoga practice that requires them to self-lead. That is absolutely elitist and sometimes I need a kick in the butt to remind me of that. And you never have to defend your teaching or your reasons for choosing a pose or a sequence for your class. When a class is tailored to the needs of its students, lots of interesting opportunities for exploration come up - although in my experience Tittibasana C is not one of those opportunities. On the other hand, Supta K has come up many times, usually after a lot of forward bends culminating in Tarasana.

Again, thanks for the thoughtful reply....

Lauren

10:38 PM, March 07, 2007

 
Blogger upsidedowncarl said...

Hey Lauren,

Sounds cool. As always it is fun to converse with you. You always have such original ways of looking at things.

I wanted to add a couple of more things that I had let hang but decided I did not want to leave out there because it could create a misconception about my teaching.

“I am not a big fan of telling students what not to do. That's just me and my style, and I would surely be one of those students that you would not have much luck in telling me "not" to do something. If someone told me to lay off on the chatturangas because my arms and chest are already quite muscular and perhaps I need to soften up, rather than muscle up (this is the only reason I can imagine anyone would tell me to lay off the chatturangas), I would say thank you and then go back to my vinyasas because whatever they are doing that is negative, they are ALSO building self-esteem, strength and stamina, three vitally important parts of my physical practice. Of course, if it were my teacher who sees me six days per week doing the same postures over and over again, I might actually listen. But in a vinyasa drop-in setting, it is virtually impossible to imagine taking advise to "not" do something.”

I am not sure where the “not to do something” idea came in. I don’t really tell people what to do or not to do when I teach a Vinyasa group practice. It does not have much to do with my teaching style. What I try to do is give information to help people make informed decisions.

Generally, when I set up a Vinyasa practice for a group class, as part of the warm up I go through some movements that warm and move the spine. Some of these movements are options that could be used instead of chataranga, updog and downdog if someone wanted to replace those movements for any reason. Some of them are harder than chataranga, updog and downdog some are softer. Variety and know your options are both a good things. After showing several variations that would be options for making things stronger or softer depending on the particular practitioner’s own personal choices, and after doing a certain number of postures to open the pelvic structure and spine, I start leading people through A and B series sun salutations.

L. happens to be one of the students who can go through a practice and do a different Vinyasa every time and always be doing something good for her body. It is poetic to watch. So I believe I said something about how I wish everyone could make such useful and powerful choices. At a certain point in practice, after A and B series sun salutations are finished and the class has done their standing forward bends, the way I word the rest of the Vinyasas is by saying they are optional. For the standing poses, the first time I say something like “exhale to downward facing dog in your own way, if you want chataranga and updog or any other Vinyasa sequence along the way feel free to take the Vinyasa of your choice.” After that I simple say something like: “your Vinyasa to downward facing dog.” If I was doing seated poses I would give them a choice of going back and through a Vinyasa of their choice before doing the next side or not as each student sees fit. I try and make my group practices have a certain element of choice so each student experiences a certain element of taking control of their own practice as would automatically be present in a self practice. I do believe in choice and learning how to practice for yourself.

Even when I adjust someone or have them feel a posture in a different way, I don’t tell the student that the way I have adjusted them is right and what they were doing before was wrong. That is rarely the case. I also usually let a student know that if they liked how something felt before I shifted things they can go back to it. I am usually simply trying to get practitioners to feel things differently or more fully, and sometimes just changing how you do something gives you more awareness.

However, it does not take a rocket scientist to see tense, inefficient, or damaging body mechanics. When someone is distorting an area in his or her spine or dumping stress into one part of a joint in a way that causes damage it stands out pretty clearly. I could show a completely untrained person how to see the difference between healthy balanced work in a movement like chataranga or in many other yoga postures in comparison to something that is doing some damage. It might take a long time to show someone how to help another person improve the mechanics of a movement or posture, and it would be important for that person to be working on the mechanics of his or her own moving and holding of postures, but I could show almost anybody a certain amount of how to see mechanics that are risky to the person practicing. Therefore while it is fine to trust a teacher you know, like and have confidence in--someone who you see all the time--that does not mean someone who has been trained in understanding body mechanics would not be able to see a lot that is going on in your body regardless of how often they see you practicing.

I am not going to use terms like bad or wrong, because the way that our bodies work is more complicated than black and white, good and bad. Something that is appropriate and useful for one person could be risky and unhealthy for another. So it is not an issue of right and wrong: it is simply an issue of helping someone improve biomechanics for that person’s current circumstances. As their practice changes, the particulars of a certain movement might change a little but the quality of the movement will not: when you are bearing stress evenly through the center of a joint’s axis, that would be useful, whereas, overloading one side of a joint can create an imbalance of stress on one side of the joint. An example is some of what I often see in chataranga; it is a common pattern for certain people to overload and hang on one side of the shoulder joint and done repeatedly that can cause a repetitive stress injury to the ligaments of the joint capsule and to the muscles of the shoulder joint that help the shoulder joint stay in tact (particularly the rotator cuff muscles with their function as muscle that acts like a contractile ligament). This pattern has been known to cause shoulder injuries for some yoga practitioners, and these injuries did not need to occur.

So whether I see someone every day for weeks and months, or I see someone who I have never seen before, I can see patterns, tendencies and habits of movement, mechanics and coordination, and often I can see some of the thoughts and ideas behind them. It takes only a few seconds of seeing someone move to see certain things and it is interesting how you can see someone in one position and have a decent idea of what they are going to look like doing a certain number of other things as well.

That being said, if I see a certain pattern and feel it needs to be looked at, I might walk up to that person and ask them to show me the posture or movement and then ask how certain things feel. For instance, I might ask how someone’s neck and shoulders feel during chataranga: I might even ask them if they feel tension in their neck and shoulders or sometimes whether the left and right side feel different when I see bilateral asymmetries in the movement. Of course, it depends on what I am seeing. Sometimes someone will say “no, everything feels fine” and then I will have them try something else to compare and sometimes they will say, “Oh, I did not realize how much tension I was holding there.” That does not always happen. There are times when someone says they like something the way they were doing it and then I let them alone. Every so often with someone like that, a few weeks or months later I will try again and then they feel it and go, “Oh, wow, I feel that now.” But I don’t make changes for people. I give practitioners access to tools that will help them feel and understand for what they are doing for themselves. I am of the opinion that if I make the changes for them then I am taking something away from the practitioner. You have to feel and know something for yourself. That is part of what practice is: your own experience, your own understanding: not indoctrination and acceptance of dogma.

“Yours is clearly a more gentle approach than the one I have taken to in recent years. But that doesn't make mine wrong.”

Without question your approach is not wrong. I don’t know that anybody ever said it was. And different body types and different structures need different approaches; and as our practices change us our approaches often need to change with our changing needs. However, I am not sure where the idea of gentle comes in and I why my approach is being labeled in the first place.

It is interesting that you also make the comment later that the posture that L. and I were examining could be seen to be too advanced for a group class. If you have the right variation of a pose for a practitioner things usually work just fine and I always start with simple variations and then things that are more complicated or take more flexibility are given as options. Again, the first picture was the first variation offered. It is only a rare occurrence where someone needs that one modified down. When that occurs I address it individually.

Here is a perspective I have on intelligent work: there is something in a posture that I refer to as the sweet spot in the pose. Really there are many sweet spots on most postures. On a tennis racket there is a spot on the racket where, if you hit the ball within that spot, you do not have to swing as hard and you get a lot more power generated from the stroke. If you miss the sweet spot you can swing as hard as you want and you will not get anywhere near as much power. Postures have sweet spots. There are places in any posture where you will get this response where the work is in one sense effortless and in another sense stronger and more powerful. It takes skill to be able to find those sweet spots in postures, but all postures have them, and every practitioner can find a sweet spot in any given posture that is right for their current situation as long as you understand the benefits you are looking for from the pose, which was L.’s actual original question: she was basically asking what am I missing and what am I supposed to feel which is quite an intelligent question from any practitioner.

Chaturanga has a sweet spot. I can make a person get five times as much USEFUL work in chataranga without the damaging effects if I can help them into that sweet spot which also means they have cleaned up their mechanics. When I am one-on-one with someone, or in a group class, if I am right there which is really also one-on-one, I am often able to get almost anybody to find that kind of work in a variation of chataranga that will be useful to them. Usually I can do that with a variety of variations. Often I end up simply choosing one because time is limited. And example of this idea of the sweet spot that I would use for work that would be parallel to what you are doing in chataranga is something that is done in gymnastics, on the rings. There is this position where a gymnast will hold him/herself parallel to the ground with the arms out to the sides. It takes amazing strength. But the gymnasts who do it really well make it look and seem effortless. The does not mean it is gentle. It just means that they are not doing anything extra. They are not gripping. And I would refer to the definition of asana from the Yoga Sutras 2.46: stirasukhamasanam. That is what it means, STRONG AND SOFT.

There is nothing wrong with going for it in a pose and there is nothing wrong with your approach--especially if you know, feel and experience that it is working for you. And my guess is that when you had that feeling of release, power and exhilaration while binding, that you described in one of your comments, you had probably arrived in a really nice sweet spot. All I am saying is that you can have that experience every time you come into every single posture, including chataranga if you really know what you are doing. You can see it when you watch someone like David Swenson or Richard Freeman.

Each posture is a little different in tone so the sweet spot in chataranga might not feel like the sweet spot in supta kurmasana, but what I am talking about is pretty powerful stuff regardless of which pose you are in. And I wonder if people who practice with me, whether in a group or one-on-one, would consider the way I teach to be gentle. I actually had someone recently tell me that she felt she could get effective work that was way harder in my classes than she is usually able to without her safety being compromised. I guess the idea of being gentle sounds nice to me though. :)

Peace.

2:09 PM, March 08, 2007

 
Blogger Yoga Chickie said...

I guess "gentle" could be misinterpreted as wussy or something like that. I meant it more as "the opposite of the hardass approach", with the hardass approach being the ashtanga approach of "one pose, one way" (although even THAT could be disputed, since there is little to no disucssion of "alignment" in Guruji's texts other than with regard to driste, which is more about putting your spine and your energy into a certain direction; thus, there are many ways to be in an ashtanga pose, although the template is expected to be adhered to in at least a general way in a Mysore context in order to get to the next pose).

Anyway, I feel like I am about to start speaking in tongues and talking in circles!!

As always, a pleasure to pick your brain!

Lauren

6:11 PM, March 08, 2007

 
Blogger upsidedowncarl said...

I guess I will simply add that I know an Ashtanga practitioner who had been practicing for a long time before she practiced with K. Pattabhi Jois, who she of course referred to as Guruji, and she was astounded at how gentle his teaching was in comparison to all the Ashtanga teaching she had received previously in New York. :)

4:53 PM, March 12, 2007

 

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